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I was asked to make neck ties and sashes for the youth choir at my church. I have made bow ties before. No problem. I purchase a tie pattern Mc Calls 2447. I cut out the ties - then sat down to sew.......yes I got this - " so I thought to myself", until I got to second step. Any way not to bore you all - I purchase ANOTHER tie pattern - its much easier. when I am done I will post a pic.